Septemics With Jim Marshall
Septemics takes center stage in this episode's exploration of human motivation. John White speaks with
Jim Marshall, the mastermind behind Septemics: Hierarchies of Human Phenomena: Analysis, Prediction and Management of Human Affairs. Jim unveils the power of 35 unique scales, each meticulously crafted with seven distinct levels. Think of it as your decoder ring for understanding yourself and everyone around you. Jim brings Septemics to life with real-world examples and practical insights you can apply immediately. This is your chance to unlock the secrets to human motivation, and it's more engaging than you think!
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Septemics With Jim Marshall
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We are going to talk about Septemics with Jim Marshall. As a writer, Jim has successfully treated and trained hundreds of clients as an inventor of Septemics and also several consciousness-expanding systems. His areas of expertise include psychology, philosophy, theology, parapsychology, science, engineering, mathematics, law, literature, history, music, organizational metaphysics, Military science, human potential, political science, physical culture, and education.
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We have a very exciting episode called Septemics with a gentleman named Jim Marshall. What we are going to do is we are going to talk about Septemics and consciousness expanding. Jim, how are you?
Great.
Exploring The Seven Levels: A Human Phenomena System
You'll find as we go through this that I'm going to ask you to bring this down so people can understand it because this is a very cool, interesting concept. My first question to ask you is how do you boil this down a little bit? Let's start with, what are the seven levels by title?
First of all, there are 35 scales. Each scale has seven levels, so they are all entirely different. Let me say one sentence by way of introduction to give some context to your readers. I am the discoverer of two unknown natural phenomena that greatly aid in the understanding of people from which I created a revolutionary, practical, philosophical system called Septemics. I published the name of the book Septemics: Hierarchies of Human Phenomena.
Let me tell you what Septemics is concisely. Septemics is a philosophical science based on the fact that many phenomena related to human beings occur in a sequence of seven levels. The word Septemics means all are pertaining to seven. Septemics comprise a collection of scales or sequences, each of which breaks down various human phenomena into a hierarchy of seven steps. There are 35 set scales, each of which is unique. Together, they span the spectrum of human experience, by which I mean any problem, dilemma, situation, or difficulty that any person has that has anything to do with people can successfully be analyzed by one or more of these skills. It is usually more than one.
Is that mathematical?
Yes. It's very much like on a website, you have the front end and the back end. The front end is what you see in the book. The back end is what was in my mind when I was figuring this out. When you read it, it's not like reading mathematics. It's more like looking at yourself in a mirror while you are holding up a lens so you can see yourself better or holding up a lens to another person so you can see them better. This facilitates perception because it's based on natural law. Every person is somewhere on every scale. When you look at a person, you know he's on that scale. It's a question of finding what level, and that's generally not hard to do.
Septemics is like looking at yourself in a mirror while holding a lens to see yourself more clearly or holding that lens up to another person to better understand them.
Is that tied into any spiritual effect?
No. Some of the subject matter in the book gets into it. For example, there's a scale of spiritual identity, which is all about spirituality. If you go to that one scale, you'll see it's intensely spiritual, but I am an engineer so this is the human phenomena through the mind of an engineer and it's presented in a way that's very user-friendly.
When somebody's reading this and they are trying to maybe analyze their own life, like where they are at in life, how to make decisions, or whatever, they are going to look at this from an intellectual more than a spiritual level. Is that what you are saying?
I never thought of it that way. The person can look at it however he wants. This is natural law. It's like looking at the Pythagorean Theorem or Newton's Three Laws of Motion. It's inarguable that these exist the way they are, and I spent most of my life verifying that. When you look at it, you get it. However you choose to look at it, whether you are an emotional person or an analytical person, you get it because it's not obscure. It's not difficult to get. It's like when you look at the periodic table of elements. It makes sense. You look at it and you're like, "I see. This makes sense."
This show was brought about for the purpose of helping people. Our goal is not to scare people and freak them out. Our goal is to tell them what's going on and give them situational awareness about what's going on around them. We bring in experts like you to talk about that problem and then try to give them a solution that gives them peace in their lives.
Understanding Different Stages And Progression In Human Development
That means we have talked about everything from cyber to human trafficking. You can imagine. One of the things I wanted to discuss with you is in all these different stages, do you have an experience where anybody starts at or numerically, you found that some people start here compared to there? Have you had any experience with that?
Most of the scales have an inherent starting point. For example, on the scale of evaluation, everybody necessarily starts at level four and then either go up or down.
What is level four?
It's neutrality.
On the scale of evaluation, level four is neutrality.
That's right.
What would be up or down from there?
If you go up to three, then you develop some avidity for the subject. If you go down, you develop some dislike for it. There are 7 levels. A person can only evaluate something in 1 of 7 ways, and these are the 7 ways. What this is about is I'm giving you the gradients for life. Each of these scales is a roadmap for success. Every good teacher, facilitator, therapist, or coach in the world understands that human development must be done on a gradient. You cannot make a couch potato into an Olympic athlete. There are too many intervening levels. This gives you the gradients.
Every good teacher, facilitator, therapist, or coach in the world understands that human development must be done on a gradient.
Every person is somewhere on every scale. You find where you are. When you do, you will have a realization and say, "That explains why I'm good at this," or, "That explains why Joe doesn't like me," or something like that. That's one of the ways you know you found the right level. You then target yourself with the next level up, and you will be able to get there because it's the next naturally occurring thing.
Let's say you are counseling somebody on this. They sat down with you the first time and you are trying to help them develop this process. Do you take them through all the scales to find out where they are starting?
What I would do typically is I would find an area where the person is having some challenge or difficulty. Let's say you have a guy. He's got a 180 IQ, a doctorate from MIT, and makes $3 million a year but he can't get anywhere with women. That's a real situation. I would not go to the scale of human ability. He's out or near the top of that already.
I would go to the scale of sexuality and say to him, "Take a look at this." He would look at it and say something like, "Do you mean there's a scale of sexuality?" I'd say, "Yes. You don't have to tell me if you don't want to, but for your own illumination, where are you on the scale?" I guarantee you he's going to want to know that because he has trouble in this area.
What you are doing is defining a problem or helping them to find a problem to find out where to jump on.
That's right. When he looks at it, in a matter of seconds, he will find a bracket. I'm talking about 20 to 25 seconds. He'll say something like, "I can see it right away. I'm not at level one, two, or three. That's near the top and I'm having a lot of trouble." You got it down to four, five, six, or seven right away.
If you were sitting down and I walked in the office and said, "I'm a train wreck in this area," whatever that area is, "I make $10 million a year. I'm good at my business but I can't connect with other people emotionally," you can take them to a scale with this concept. You can help them identify within that scale which slot they are in 1 of those 7, tell them what the down and up is, and help them go to the next level.
You have to remember. Every time you correctly find a level, whether it's for yourself or another, you have a realization. 100% of the time that happens because this is natural law. It's like looking at a rose or a tulip. It's not an opinion whether this is a rose or a tulip. It's a fact. You'll find yourself at this level, whatever it is.
After he finds the bracket in the first twenty seconds, I would say to him, "Go ahead and read the text, and then you can get this exactly." I guarantee he's going to want to know that because he's already unraveling this. When he reads it, he comes back and is like, "Now that I read it, I can see I'm at level four." He has a realization and he'll say, "That explains why I can't get along with Gertrude." You then say to him, "We can move you up to level three and then you'll do better." He's like, "Really?" You're like, "Yes. It tells you in the book how to do that." He's going to want to do that.
You cannot skip a level. I already know this. I have been working on this for many decades. It's impossible to skip a level because it's natural law. If you are on the first floor and you want to go to a floor, one way or another, you have to go through the second, third, and fourth, whether you take the escalator, the elevator, or the stairs. If he's at 3, he can only go to 2, which is better, or 4, which is worse. Those are the only choices. Sometimes, you don't realize it because you went through it quickly or easily or not aware of it. You target the next level, and because it's the next thing up, you can get there.
Are you finding anybody's got to go through all these levels to get through life?
How Scales Reveal Relationship Dynamics And Decision-Making
If you look at what's been going on for the past thousands of years in human society, that is life without Septemics. Once you get this data, it's like a physics student getting the three laws of motion. First semester Physics, you get the three laws of motion. You say, "I get it. This makes sense." Once you get into physics, it almost seems like common sense. It's not, but it's natural law.
You have a couple that's been dating for two years. They are talking about getting married. Wouldn't it be smart to know, "Why does this person want to marry me?" Isn't that a reasonable question? I'm not saying to ask the person. I'm saying open the book to the scale of motivation. There are only seven basic human motivations and all the others are subsets of these.
The guy knows the woman. He looks at the scale, and once he studies it, he'll be able to perceive what level she's at. Let's say he looks at it and says, "I can see she's at level one. She wants to marry me because she loves me. That's her motivation. That's level one on this scale." Maybe that doesn't happen. Maybe when he looks at it, he says, "Now that I think about this, I think she wants to marry me because I drive a Maserati, fly my own Learjet, have a 60-foot yacht, live in a $15 million condo, and have $10 million in the bank." That's a different reason. That's level four, which is money. That's a money motivation.
What starts somebody down this path is the issue at hand in their life.
That's right.
If there's an issue at hand in their life that they are wrestling with a decision, whether it is to get married or whatever it is, that will point to the scale that can point to the level. Is that correct?
Yes. Let me continue. He realizes that she wants to marry him because of his money. What he does with that is up to him. There's no judgment involved in this. It's not a question of right or wrong. It's a question of perceiving what's there. He might say, "She wants a way for my money, but she's beautiful, smart, and funny, and we have a great time together. I'm going to marry her anyway." That could happen, but that might not happen. He might say, "This woman is a gold digger. I don't want to marry a gold digger. I want to marry somebody who loves me for myself," and they break up.
In that second case, you might think he's going to be upset and you would be wrong. He's not. He's going to be relieved. He's going to say, "Thank you for showing me this because I dodged a bullet." He has a better grip on people and what to look for. There are seven motivations. He can look at the scale. Have you ever noticed how many old ugly guys are married to beautiful young women?
I tried to figure that out my whole life.
How can this be? Let me tell you how it can be. Miss Texas, who's 23, gets a diamond ring, a pearl necklace, a Corvette, a mink coat, and a credit card. She's happy. The 55-year-old gray guy who's overweight gets to marry a 23-year-old beauty queen. They are both happy. She comes to him and says, "I want to go to Vegas for the weekend." He says, "Okay. Here's $5,000. Have a good time." She goes and it works out for them. It's understanding the reality of it.
Let me give you an analogy that will help you to see how this works. Let's say you invited me into your garden to look at it because I like gardens. You say, "Come over and look at my garden." I go into John's garden and say, "John has nasturtiums, chrysanthemums, hydrangeas, irises, tulips, and roses." The reason I can analyze it that way is I know a lot about flowers because I have been involved with them my whole life. If you bring a five-year-old kid into that garden, he's going to see and smell exactly what I see and smell but all he can say is, "These are pretty and they smell nice." That's all he knows.
Most adults are like a five-year-old in a garden. They don't know what they're looking at when it comes to people.
Most adults are like that little kid as regards people. They don't know what they are looking at. That is why more than 50% of the adults in the United States are not married. Of the people who do get married, more than 50% of them get divorced. Clearly, those people were not seeing what's there or they wouldn't have been in that situation.
That's almost a marriage counseling deal.
It's not just marriage. It's business, finances, and spirituality. It affects your whole life.
How To Spot Motives And Predict Actions In Financial And Personal Interactions
Let's say you are considering opening a credit card. You are talking to a banker and you are concerned that they are trying to set you up. That's the threat, whether it is a cyber threat, financial threat, or whatever. From an emotional standpoint, they go, "I go to my banker. He wants to offer me this card. He says it's a 2% interest rate," but somewhere in the back of their mind, they go, "I think they are lying. It's going to be 34%." That's a human issue. How do they take this system and use that right then?
If you can spot the guy at a specific level on a specific scale, you know what he's about and you can predict what he's going to do. For example, there's a scale of basic purposes. Level six on that scale is what I call the criminal. The criminal's basic purpose is pleasure. That's what he wants. That's what motivates him to commit his crimes.
He wants drugs, alcohol, sex, and limousines. He doesn't particularly want to kill you, but he will if you get in his way. If you spot him at that level, that tells you, "I'm dealing with a criminal." I can be the person who's like, "This person is high on this scale. This is somebody I want in my life. This person is going to be an asset to me." It always turns out that way.
How To Engage With Septemics And Start Your Journey
The one final thing I'd like to ask you is to tell my readers how to start and engage and get peace over starting down this road with Septemics.
The first thing they should do is go to my website, which is Septemics.com, where they can read what many readers have said about it, what many journalists have written about it, and what the reviews are. You could read sections of the book itself. There's even a prerecorded fifteen-minute introduction to Septemics for a new person. After you go through all of that, you are probably going to want to buy the book because it relates to everybody.
As I know you are a very busy guy. I want to look at those scales and then get back to you and talk about a jump-off point maybe for there. The practicality of it is this. You met this nice lady. She looks good. Everything works right, and then you think, "Do I want to develop a relationship?" You find out that this is going to turn into a train wreck. How many young people thinking about getting married could have that problem? How many marriages hit the wall because they don't know anything about any of it? This is a very cool science that you are doing. What I'd like to do is say thank you and we'll be back in touch. Thanks a lot.
Thank you very much.
Have a good day.